Posts by WillNillson

Quote from Bourdon

I came across a video of a young Finnish organist, Henrik Heikkinen, who has put much effort into adapting Notre-Dame for GO. This is based on the 2012 disposition of the organ, without the resonance division (V/97). Unfortunately, to my knowledge, he has not yet released this composite, as it is not yet in its final form. It is also unclear which sample sets were used. In the detailed demonstration, he discusses the features of Notre-Dame and how its distinctive sound character is composed. The composite already sounds amazing, especially the tutti sections with their singing overtones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ_dH9…H9v0l2A&index=1

Here are few other demos of his composite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frO_tbxF4Zg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk7hK2R4tHI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUDf7P0ooQ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhyRKDbBqNA

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That sounds very good indeed. Maybe a good idea to hold off making any composites of this until this fella releases his. He is making it for GO - and not Hauptwerk - that's interesting!

Neat! Thanks so much. Will give it a try later. There were a number of organs that were hanging that I encountered recently.

I'm not sure if the initial poster was trying to make an April Fool's joke, but I am considering giving this a go!

Perhaps single perspective. Apparently the organ has not changed much except reverb lengthening since the fire -

to 8 seconds "out-reverberizing" St. Ouen apparently!

No help needed!

What kind of experience do you have in making composites?

I see you have posted an updated Thoryk custom.

The process of making The Notre Dame De Paris, without first having
vast experience making smaller composites is akin to graduating from carpentry school and taking on building an entire house by yourself.

I myself was recently assessing the possibility of making a composite of this organ but am hesitant
despite making maybe close to 75 of my own builds.

Problems with this task:

1. RAM
If you wish to share with others you are limiting yourself to 1 perpective...similar to Sleath's St. Ouen.
I personally much prefer multi-perspective density. The 130 Stops of Notre Dame would likely require 64 to 128 GB computers for multi perspective because
you must choose large reverb organs, unless you wish to be unauthentic in its emulation.

2. The organs you listed are wildly different in reverb lengths and temperament, including one that has no reverb at all from BP!

As such, you then force yourself into either:
1. Using Harmonic Number and retuning through the temperament menus after assembling the ranks...and ensuring after GO retuning that the reverbs aren't wholly altered!

When this is done, you destroy the natural tuning variances inherent in natural organ acoustics, because
GO will put all notes into perfect harmonic tuning.

OR
2. The other option is to manually convert these organs into equal temperament, which likely the Notre Dame de Paris is.
This is an incredible task! I have done this many times using Loopaudtioneer analysis of averaging several ranks to determine a reasonable retuning pitch re-establishment of equal temperament.
Far easier to start with equal temperament organs of similar reverb.

Organs we have in the free world with wonderful 6 to 7 sec reverb equaling this huge CC organ!
1. Nancy Demo
2. Hildisheim Demo
3. St. Marien non-equal Demo
4. Barrit Royal Hospital Demo
5. Caen Demo
6. Rotterdam Demo
7. Oloron..shorter than Nancy Demo
8. Begard..longer Than Oloron Demo
9. Schwerin Demo

10. Dusseldorf Demo

11. Billerbeck Demo

All these organs consume huge RAM

I am in the process of converting Sleath's
St. Ouen to GO...who used 1 perspective. Sounds pretty good but still lacking....and incidentally for those that use HW...it sounds much, much better for GO!
Sam used several of CC organs to construct his build.

I also will share soon my Notre Dame de Metz composite and am attempting my own St. Ouen duel perspective build.

The process of assembling the ranks and voicing the resulting stop layout has to be automated
with gain altering scripts etc.....because to do this manually...well you better make sure you are
retired and have a clear schedule if you don't automate the process!

All the best!

Quote from pneuma

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How many organs do you have overlayed in this video?

Quote from jagusch1973

You could rebuilt an Organ which not longer exist. St. Marien Lübeck, Germany ( the Church of Dietrich Buxtehude ) The Kemper Main Organ from 1968 was demolished in 2025. 5 Manuals and Pedal, 101 Stops. The Pedal was splitted in "Groß Pedal" and "Klein Pedal" but both were played from the same Pedal Keyboard. If you could do that, it would make me very happy! Here iss the Disposition:

Register Lübeck.JPG

An interesting suggestion for sure, to make an organ composite that doesn't even exist - an incredible task making such a large organ as this though!

I don't know..suggestions?

I do not have any new organs.

Maybe try one of the 40 that I have already shared here!

Quote from Haralder

Personally, I don't share your opinion on Sweelinq. As far as I know, it is now widely seen as a solid alternative to Hauptwerk, even if there is still room for improvement. It’s simply a case of a newcomer meeting an experienced veteran.

Regarding GrandOrgue, speaking generally and setting personal preferences aside, I can say this: GrandOrgue is the only sensible alternative if you cannot or do not want to invest much money. It would be a shame if it were to disappear, but the project simply lacks the necessary manpower.

I feel only frustration playing Sweelinq - not enough juice or power can be generated from it for my tastes.

What do you think the future of GrandOrgue is? Will it stop being updated?

Or is there enough niche interest in it to be continuing to be present as an alternative?

Quote from Haralder

GrandOrgue ist im Vergleich zu Hauptwerk oder auch Sweelinq im Prinzip nur noch ein simpler Sample Player...

I am not trying to start an argument and I respect all individuals' views, but to say that Sweelinq is in a higher level than GrandOrgue? Wow. Sweelinq sounds absolutely dreadful on large registration settings - I mean not even close to the quality of GrandOrgue. I understand that GrandOrgue is using perhaps similar sample handling technology as the earlier Hauptwerk versions but GrandOrgue is in my opinion a very high quality virtual organ software - and of course, I'm biased as I enjoy the creativity that can be had from making composites/extensions etc.

Now, granted my experience with Haupterk is only at 4.2.1 (as I refuse to pay for anything further in that area), but Sweelinq sounds increasingly like a bunch of kids blowing some toy kazoos as the registration increases to full organ. Sweelinq can sound acceptable for lower registration settings and I haven't heard their recent version 3, but in my opinion, they need A LOT of work yet to get it to GrandOrgue level. It is very humorous to me when I find posted videos comparing Sweelinq to Hauptwerk and the people are using like 7 stops to compare - open it up to FULL and then do a comparison!

For me, GrandOrgue is like cooking a steak on a charcoal grill with beautiful wood smoke and Sweelinq is a quickly fried pan steak. No comparison.

Hauptwerk 4.2.1 also is absolutely dreadful on the releases of the samples - the release tails have a much better reverberance and handling in GrandOrgue - I recently switched over from the Alessandria complete set from Hauptwerk to GrandOrgue - much much better in GrandOrgue to my ears.

I recently posted a comment on the Contrebombarde performance sight - "Why don't more users here use GrandOrgue" to which only crickets was the reply. Do other people not know the majesty and beauty of GrandOrgue and the seemlingly limitless FREE sets available? To each his own - if you wish to spend thousands, upon thousands of dollars for the sets in Hauptwerk, be my guest, I think GrandOrgue has a great future, especially as people get to know it better - get the word out people. And for me, let's get the organ BACK in to the Western Christian church! You folks who use the organ in the European culture in a church service - you're very blessed!

Quote from DeLuz

I thought about creating a composite using the three demos available at Coral Pipes. Their sounds and reverbaration times are similar enough that, I think, a composite's stops would blend well together. It would be possible to create a 3-manual organ with a few reeds, mixtures, and even a cornet décomposé (which is actually on one of their organs already).

A possible stoplist could be something like this:

Great
Violone 16
Principal 8
Bourdon 8
Spillfloete 8
Octave 4
Octave 2
Full Mixture IV
Trompette 8

Swell
Rohrgedackt 16
Principal 8
Stopped Diapason 8
Viole de Gambe 8
Viole Celeste 8
Stopped Flute 4
Nasard 2 2/3
Octavin 2
Plein Jeu IV
Sesquialtera II
Oboe 8

Choir
Cor de Nuit 8
Dulciana 8
Koppelflote 4
Nasard 2 2/3
Blockflote 2
Tierce 1 3/5

Pedal
Principal 16
Bourdon 16
Violone 16
Gedackt Pommer 8
Cello 8
Bass Flute 8
Choralbass 4
Nachthorn 2
Mixture V
Fagott 16 (Swl)
Clarion 4 (Swl)

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...I'll see what I can do.

Quote from NC64

I have the stoplist!

Dear NC64 - in the other thread you said you do not know how to make a stoplist - make as many stoplists as you wish - but making the digital organs from the stoplist is just an incredible task! Easier with 40 - 50 stop organs.

Quote from gg51grandorgue

How about something with Strassburg by Piotr Grabowski? Maybe an extended strassburg with reeds from Friesach. Your work is always amazing thank you for putting it on this website!

Thanks for your comment. Regarding Strassburg, that organ is not in equal temperament which complicates the extension process to create additional stops from Strassburg sources. Some reeds could possibly be brought from Friesach - as Piotr already did with the Posaune - and then retune them using the temperament menus.

Quote from NC64

What is your new large organ composite?

Dear NC64,

Are you tired of Fatima and Ludgerus Dom Already?

Thanks, I think I'm good for now, - you've given me some GrandOrgue fodder to work with, thanks for all your conversions!

The only suggestion I have from all of this was to add the possibility of a sectionalized conversion in ODFedit (especially for ranks) if the software is "stuck" on certain areas.

Quote from ahall41

The XML file format is not easy to decode. I think I have picked everything up! Dusseldorf is not at all easy. The main thing you may miss by using Organ Buiulder and similar are the cross fades, any pitch corrections and precise KeyPressTimes. Attached contains just the rank information (trems are in separate ranks). I hacked the script to cut out just about everything apart from ranks and samples. It is now on GitHub, in case you wish to run it again. Good luck!

Dusseldorf, St Lambertus (demo) 1.0.organ.zip

Thanks, awesome....Look at all the ridiculous pitchtuning coding within this one! Impossible to manually construct these. From your response, you are implying that Organ Builder can build some rank coding? As I mentioned, the pitchtuning is the necessary requirement with Piotr's ranks. Thanks for converting the ranks. Appreciate it.

Quote from BasKb

If its only for the ranks you could make use of Vincent Foremans "Organ builder": Organ Builder by Vincent Forman – Virtual Pipe Organs ; https://virtualpipeorgans.wordpress.com/tools/organ-bu…vincent-forman/

Thank you, but I do not think that the Organ Builder software will extract the Rank information from the XML but rather allows someone to use the Ranks to construct a new organ defintion file. I have no lack of understanding of how to use the ranks to create an organ definition file - as you may have noticed from the filebase, but I am simply interested in a very streamlined method of extracting ranks if an ODFEdit conversion cannot take place easily. For example, if the ODFEdit software is "hanging" or getting "stuck" on a certain aspect of the XML then there should be a way to tell it to circumvent that to extract other segments of the coding.

Of Course, it is very easy, but very time consuming, to reconstruct the ranks for ANY organ that is unencyrpted by analyzing the file structure naming hierarchies and simply using cut/paste techniques in Notepad++. However for Piotr's sets there seems to be PitchTuning values that are present throughout the coding. Sometimes those corrections are merely because there are missing pipes that Piotr borrows from and then there is a tuning variation necessary to have that borrowed pipe fall within the established temperament of the organ, but sometimes it seems more complicated than that from my analysis. To reconstruct Sonus's Ranks is relatively easily done - and I have done that many times by examining filename hierarchies, but Piotr's are more complicated. That's why I would prefer to have the ranks generated from the XML.

However it seems perhaps that Mr. Hall is on the case regarding Dusseldorf!

Quote from ahall41

Its probably easier and quicker to do it myself! Except tomorrow is going to be sunny here and I have some gardening to do. I'm downloading the demo right now ...

Well thank you, but I am not afraid of doing some hard work or wanting to ask anybody else to give their time. But if you are able to..thanks. Enjoy the weather!

Quote from ahall41

I stopped active work on HWtoGO because OdfEdit was so good ... it may be worth raising this as an issue on the OdfEdit repository (it may be a while before you get a reply). Do you have the latest version?

Yes tried with the latest and even earlier versions - I am attempting to understand your PHP coding and to use it to only extract the Rank information. Using AI to help understand the process. Any other advice concerning using your PHP scripts?

Many demos in Hauptwerk have a switch to switch between fake and actual tremulants.

However Hauptwerk uses the pitch and frequency modulation wav files that are included with many of Sonus's sets I believe. Are these frequency and pitch modulation wave files included with all Hauptwerk sets that don't have wave tremulants?

Although realistically, I don't really think that those tremulants using the frequency and pitch modulation wav files sound that good either.

Nevertheless, it might be interesting if the GrandOrgue developers could consider incorporating the ability to use these wav files in improving the tremulant feature in GrandOrgue.

The Utrecht Demo has fake tremulant settings when converted using ODFedit:

Period=217
StartRate=6
StopRate=6
AmpModDepth=15

But having tried this in other organs, it doesn't really sound the best. The best tremulants in GrandOrgue and in Hauptwerk, in my opinion, remain the actual wave tremulants. For GrandOrgue I enjoy more gentle oscillating settings for the tremulants.